Lanyon's Kevin Iwamoto, CWT Meetings & Events' Kari Wendel & SMM coach Debi Scholar Scott Pollack
This
year, BTN will talk shop with the
following meetings management experts. Have questions you want them to answer?
Email Elizabeth West.
- Kevin
Iwamoto, Lanyon
- Debi
Scholar, SMM Coach
- Kari
Wendel, CWT Meetings & Events
- Erin
Stahowski, McDonald’s Corp.
- Bobby
Badalamenti, Siemens
- Anil
Punyapu, Cvent
-
Kimberly Meyer, Meetings
Analytics
In 2016, Business Travel News will feature a quarterly dialog with
strategic meetings experts, ranging from technology gurus to data hounds to
corporate meetings managers who have demonstrated practitioner prowess. For the
first installment of the series, BTN
editor-in-chief Elizabeth West sat down with the virtual founders of strategic
meetings management—Lanyon’s vice president of industry strategy Kevin Iwamoto,
strategic meetings management coach Debi Scholar and CWT Meetings & Events senior
director of global SMM strategy and solutions Kari Wendel—to talk about the
state of SMM and how mainstream adoption has evolved the sophistication of the
practice. Read on …
Business Travel News:
Haven’t marketing events and exhibitions—those client- and consumer-facing
meetings—always been included in the scope of strategic meetings management?
Debi
Scholar: At
some companies they were. But often, people in marketing or other business
units considered [their programs] a different animal and that strategic
meetings management couldn’t affect the exhibits or the booths or the other
activities that happen [because] there was no room to negotiate. In reality,
there are plenty of opportunities to negotiate and look at sponsorship
differently. More companies are realizing that now.
Kevin
Iwamoto: Companies
wanted it all at the beginning, but they realized that was way too much to
handle. They needed a proof of concept. Now that SMM has become more accepted
as the standard, [it has] opened the door. Marketing groups and other groups
that were not necessarily included or part of the original category management
of meetings and events are joining in.
Kari
Wendel: Marketing
departments were often left to last, for a number of reasons. If things were
working well somewhere, they tended to be working there. These are marketing
and event professionals. There are so many other meeting centers within
corporations that traditionally are not managed as well as marketing events, so
it made sense to start with the more problematic centers. Plus, marketing
historically pushed back harder as procurement got more involved. However,
these days, I'm definitely seeing across our client base that marketing
events—and the marketing departments—are seeing the value. SMM programs have
generated a good internal talk track and high credibility. I've seen marketing
departments come voluntarily to the discussion, saying, "Okay, there are
whole pieces, maybe transactionally and logistically, of our meetings that we
would love to not do if we didn't have to do them and that's going to enable us
to focus more on content and the right delivery." We're even seeing a
trend in RFPs and consulting engagements being issued by marketing departments
at the start of SMM programs, which is new for us.
BTN:
Is the involvement of marketing changing the focus of SMM? Traditionally, SMM
efforts have prioritized operations above everything else.
Wendel:
Many
SMM programs are considered successful when they create a pretty solid machine
that repeatedly moves meetings through a defined process. There are a nice
level of savings and high-quality data but sometimes limited levels of
satisfaction. When marketing becomes a true constituent in an SMM program, the
bar moves higher for service excellence and for more advanced meeting
professionals to really meet the needs of those marketing teams. Secondarily,
when the marketing team comes into the fold, the "savings"—I'm using
air quotes—that we want to capture from a historical procurement perspective, are
not savings to them. They're more meetings, or they're more tools to facilitate
their business objectives. That will change, as well, for centralized programs.
BTN:
Service excellence, attendee engagement, better content delivery. These terms
have gotten a lot of buzz in the past year for meetings. Technology has largely
enabled them; marketing is implementing. What are you seeing?
Iwamoto:
I've
seen a huge shift in the efforts to measure experiential return on investment,
return on engagement and return on objective. With current technology—mobile,
onsite and other data-capture processes—we see more analysis and strategy
emerging. A lot of it is centered on lead retrieval, materialization of those
leads, how much revenue did that event capture, how much pipeline did that
activity develop. It's a much more analytical approach to managing the
business.
Wendel:
Marketers
spend a lot of time, money, energy and resources in producing their meetings.
The people that I've known that are best at measuring return on investment and
engagement over the years have been constituents of my own SMM programs, who
were in marketing. They were already measuring returns before SMM ever began
because they needed to prove that the investment-heavy meetings they hold are
successful. With today’s technology, we can do more and it’s getting easier.
Scholar:
A
couple of years ago, I did a study with a financial services client, using a
[mobile] meetings app. Over the course of several months, we were able to
identify the clients who participated in one meeting or multiple meetings, who
downloaded available presentations, etc. etc. And what we found was that [the
ones who participated more] actually produced more revenue for the company.
That’s the type of data that we want
to get. You want to bring all your marketing tools together. You can find out
when were they in the room, when were they on a virtual meeting, whatever
delivery method we choose, how are they getting the content, how many meetings
did they go to or shows did they go to. Then, how can you use that data to show
if they attended once, if they attended twice, if they attended three times; how
much did they interact within the meeting app; how many documents did they
download. Then, as a result, did they actually buy something? That really shows
not only the return on investment but also return on engagement.
BTN:
With marketing coming more readily into SMM, what is the role of travel
management, and how can travel managers work well with marketing?
Wendel:
Travel
managers … need to be sound business professionals who are interested in being
collaborative partners. As long as they take that approach and listen, and do
their best to understand the perspectives that the marketing professionals are
coming from, everyone's going to be fine.
Scholar:
There
are at least four different areas where a travel leader has the ability to
influence marketers. One of them is group travel and the reasons why group
travel should be booked through the preferred travel management company. Not
only is it fares; it's also duty-of-care risk.
Another area is hotels. There's a lot
of ability to leverage transient hotels with group hotels. If a company has a
good program in place and can see the synergy, the travel manager should be
able to work with marketers to explain which hotel properties might offer
marketing events an even better deal, which potentially would allow the
marketer to use reinvestment money.
Automation is another. If we can help
educate travel leaders on the technologies that are in place today, those
technologies have a lot of marketing capabilities. Plus, the automation helps
the travel leaders because there's integration with the online booking tools.
Last, the marketers would benefit by
the travel leader's ability to direct card. If you're using a [purchasing] card
or a meeting card or a corporate card ... often, travel leaders are managing
the card products and marketers might have visibility into the ways things are
purchased or how budgets are spent.
Iwamoto:
I'm
surprised at the level of noninteraction there is between marketing and
transient travel. There have been several times when we, as a third-party
supplier, have separate contracts with both groups and have to make the
internal introduction for them because they have not reached out to each other
or even tried to work together or look at potential synergies.
To that point, I want to emphasize
something Debi said: Leveraging transient spend with the meetings and events
spend. That's the last bastion of negotiated savings leverage that travel
buyers have today. The law of supply and demand, unfortunately, and for the
last four years and for the next year or two, looks like it's going to be on
the supplier-advantage side. The only way that travel or procurement managers
can continue to negotiate decent levels of discounting is to combine the
transient spend data with the meetings spend data and make deals happen from
that vantage point.
So if travel managers
haven't introduced themselves [to marketing], they really should. Marketing has
buying influence, and travel managers bring a lot of program discipline and
reporting discipline.